26 July 2010

Guestblog: A yaoi lesson with Kris

Today I have a funky, funny and smutty guest blogger for you all to meet who is going to give you a YAOI lesson. A what? A YAOI lesson. I didn't know of its existence either until I read on of Kris' blogposts. You can find her place at Kris 'n' Good Books & follow her on Twitter, where she talk about all random things and books. I'm a lurker at her place but often have a ball reading her thoughts or opinions :) So when I wanted more peeps to know about YAOI I knocked on the "pearly gates" of Kris' and she answered with the following:



A yaoi lesson with Kris

Hello class. My name is Miss Kris and I’ll be your substitute smutty teacher. Today, it is my privilege and honour to introduce you all to the ‘yaoi’ genre in 8 simple lessons. And, no, there won’t be a test because that sounds too much like hard work for me all involved.

Very basically, yaoi refers to Japanese manga and anime that focuses on ‘boy’s love’ and is written and drawn by women for women.

That’s right. It’s primarily for we pervy girls:


Because of this, it is sometimes accused of being overly romanticised and unrealistic. What. Ever. But if that’s not your thing – this would be Lesson 1 – go try ‘Bara’, which is the form created by and for gay men.

Lesson 2 – Unless it hasn’t quite smacked you across the back of the head yet, yaoi is all about boys falling in love, lust, etc with other boys. If your girly bits haven’t woken up to the fact this is a HOT HOT HOT genre then you might want to give it a miss.

Lesson 3 – For those of you who don’t know, manga and anime are the Japanese versions of comics and cartoons respectively. Although translated, the manga are printed in the Japanese form, which is read back to front, from right to left. It might take you a little while to get used to it, but once you have, especially if you like comics and graphic novels, the sky’s the limit!

Lesson 4 – So, you realise the whole manga thing means that you get drawn pictures, right. Of everything. *waggles eyebrows* Yep, everything. Some yaoi are more explicit than others but what’s the point of that. Still, if you are insane think it will squick you out, I’d suggest trying one of the more PG series such as Junjo Romantica.

Lesson 5 – Yaoi can be quite trope-y. This is normally something I can take or leave in general fiction, but, surprisingly, doesn’t bother me as much in yaoi. This, of course, has nothing to do with me being distracted by pictures of pretty boys fucking each other:


*ahem*

Anyhoo, commonly the yaoi relationship involves the seme (the attacker/ the seducer/ the top) and the uke (the receiver/ the innocent/ the bottom). To use language most of us who read PNR are familiar with; the seme tends to be the alpha and the uke the omega. This power dynamic is also reflected in the way the characters are drawn – the seme generally looking the more masculine of the two.

Lesson 6 – You may have noticed I’ve talked about ‘boys’ a lot in this post? This is because there is quite a lot of yaoi featuring pubescent guys. This can be off putting for some – a friend told me it was too much like fantasising about her son’s friends *eek!* - however, like everything, there are exceptions to this. One of these being the terrific Haru wo Daite Ita (Embracing Love) about two actors in their 20s and 30s who fall in love with each other.

Lesson 7 – ‘No, no, no, no, no, no...’ Whether it be ‘no, stop, I’m not into boys’ (ie but kissing/being sucked off is okay), ‘no, stop, it hurts’ (ie anal sex), ‘no, stop, it’s making me feel funny (ie he’s going to cum), get used to it. Let me make clear, though, that most of this type of thing falls under the banners of dub con/strong seduction or the uke protesting too much. I’ve only ever come across a couple which have made me very uncomfortable because I felt it was rape. Most just make me roll my eyes.

Lesson 8 – It’s back to Lesson 1. I won’t fib to you – yaoi can definitely be an education in suspending disbelief. These are women drawing and writing it after all and among other things some of these ladies can have fucking weird, err, interesting ideas about what gay sex is like, including self-lubing arses and copious amounts of cum. O_o Yeah.

So, even though I’m sure some smart arse will tell me I’ve left something out, that’s Miss Kris’ lesson in yaoi in a very basic, broad nutshell.

I suppose I’m meant to give you a few of my faves as well? Okay, my top 3: The Crimson Spell which is a high fantasy series by Ayano Yamane; Totally Captivated actually manwha (Korean manga) and yakuza themed; and, for western-based yaoi fiction, Jet Mykles’ awesome Heaven Sent series.

Oh, and btw:


Here endeth the lesson.
 




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61 comments:

  1. Kris - you are the bestest teacher evah! So you know I heart my manlove..but Yaoi just doesn't look like my thing *hides*

    But I have never actually tried one....

    I like my men a little more hairy and big. And not drawn in cartoon.

    *hides again*

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  2. Oh oh, Mandi...

    *leaves wide space between Mandi and self*

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  3. Chris - don't leave me. I'm skeered.

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  4. *keeps backing away, eyes darting around in fear, sure that Kris is going to smite Mandi something fierce*

    Veri word is ominous: smati...

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  5. I think she is blatantly not responding to make me sweat!! It's working!

    ;)

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  6. Well, you're probably ok for the day, since it's night time in Perth...

    Veri word: hobstrip...

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  7. I do fear I am a bit scared too *looks on in fear*

    I do like manga, but you know dragons and swords, and this seems to be dragons with swords, there my mind in the gutter again ;)

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  8. @Mandi....

    Hang tough Mandi _ I am sure you can take Kris... bribes works..

    @Chris..

    Why must you run off all the fresh meat - remember Mandi reads M/M, we can still take her over to the dark side still.. drip drip effect!!!!

    @Kris...

    Great post.. I totally agree, if you get it from the first moment - it never lets you go...

    I LOVE YAOI...

    E.H>

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  9. I love to read m/m stories but I'm not real sure if I would like YAOI. I guess I won't know until I try it. This was a very interesting post. I enjoyed it from start to finish.

    sstrode@scrtc.com

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  10. So, here's the thing... I've been reading yaoi for a while now. And I thought I was the only one who liked it! It makes me happyface to know that there are other pervy girls just like me. :)

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  11. I gotta say that I joined Kris's yaoi manga swap without knowing what I was getting into but I love it. Yeah, as she said some of the stories are a bit too tropey for me but who doesn't like to look at pictures of beautiful men? lol

    Iz good stuff.

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  12. Oh, and, good post Miss Kris!!

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  13. Loved your lesson Kris! I've always loved yaoi and I'm going to check out your yaoi suggestions.

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  14. Interesting lessons. I have not read yaoi and I'm not a manga, comic book or whatever else you call it ;) kinda girl.But I do like M/M books.But I can't say I wouldn't read it though,it sounds interesting and I can't judge it until I try it.

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  15. Mandi & Chris: Puleeze I'm not that scary. *adds names to her naughty readers list*


    Mandi: "I like my men a little more hairy and big. And not drawn in cartoon."

    Sweetie, have you not seen the images from Black Wade?? Big, hairy and cartoon = fucking hot. Case closed.


    Blodeuedd: *snort* Some people just have filthy minds. ;P

    For high fantasy I would definitely try The Crimson Spell. A prince, a curse, a wizard, oh my.

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  16. Ooh..I have not seen Black Wade. You have me thinking it is all pre-pubescent boys...So maybe this is my thing ;)

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  17. EH: Unrepentant yaoi fan girls 4EVA! *grin*


    Sherry: I won't like to you - it's definitely not for everyone. There seem to be firm love and hate camps for this genre. You can try reading a few titles online at scanlation sites and see how you go from there.


    MamaKitty: "So, here's the thing... I've been reading yaoi for a while now. And I thought I was the only one who liked it! It makes me happyface to know that there are other pervy girls just like me. :)"

    LOL. Erm, no. There are quite a few of us out there and for some reason I seem to meet a lot of them. *ponders* I wonder why that is... ;)

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  18. Tracy: That says it all: praising my post after you've gone all misty eyed over boy love. Perve.


    Jeanette: Cool. I'll be interested to know what you think of them so be sure to drop me a line and let me know. :)


    elaing8: You should absolutely try it. Yes, you may decide that it's not your cuppa, but on the other hand you may become yet another rabid fan like others who shall go unnamed. ;)

    As I said to Sherry, you can read some titles for free online via scanlations. That will give you an idea about whether it works for you. *whispers* FYI, it's much easier to turn a book around to, erm, appreciate all the angles of certain pictures though. LOL.

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  19. Mandi: Black Wade is not yaoi, but is a graphic novel therefore still a 'cartoon'.

    For manly men in comics go have a look at the post that Sarah of Rain on the Roof recently did form me: http://krisngoodbooks.blogspot.com/2010/07/mm-graphic-novel-appreciation-series_22.html. The first pic is from Black Wade. Yummy!

    There is also a link to bara there which is the manga created by gay men. Those are some big hairy boys and might appeal to you. :)

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  20. PS - Thanks for having me here Leontine! It was great fun doing this post for you. *grin*

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  21. Kris remember when I thought Black Wade was yaoi *hangs head*> If not for you I would 'still' think this.

    xoxoxox

    KC

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  22. Sigh. Perverting the masses yet again? Will your quest for work domination NEVER end? :-)

    I like the fantasy yaoi and the contemporary that's not TOO focused on no no no, or I get annoyed. And graphic pictures, none of this fuzzed out stuff. Umm. Forget I said that.

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  23. KC: It is true I am an awesome teacher of the smut.


    Tam: That's a trick question, right.

    "And graphic pictures, none of this fuzzed out stuff. Umm. Forget I said that."

    I am shocked and appalled by the extent of your perviness, Tam. Shocked and appalled.

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  24. I meant world domination not WORK, although I'm sure that's happening and don't count this as two entries because that's unfair, unless I recommend, my first and still my fave (we all remember our first fondly don't we?) and it's written by two Spanish women (go figure) so you read it front to back like a normal book for those who find back to front weird. However when I got their book Stallion I was completely thrown off by having to read it "properly" now. I am so used to back to front it seems more normal. *shrug* Go figure.

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  25. Well shit, I missed the name. This is looking suspicious. Saishoshi. Shit. There done.

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  26. Thanks for the great lesson Kris! I've enjoyed yaoi before, haven't read a lot of it but what I've read I've enjoyed. Cliches and all I enjoy it.

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  27. Tam: I swear... on my collection of yaoi... that I never asked Tam to make me look good with all her comments. She just did that subconsciously because she loves me so.


    Joder: "Cliches and all I enjoy it."

    Me too. I'm actually able to dismiss tropes in yaoi that I ordinarily would not in romance. I think it's because they are a fundamental part of the yaoi genre. At least that's what I tell myself instead of acknowledging how contradictory I'm being. LOL.


    It's Tuesday morning here so I'm off to work. I promise to answer any comments - if there are any - when I get home. :)

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  28. Kris, this was by far the best five minutes of my day. Here I am put-puttin' around counting beans and bam! - I'm met by lesson extraordinaire! And, I learned something to boot.

    I had no idea that this type of thing existed. Then again I'm a naive twit 90% of the time. ;) Not sure if I want to fully investivate this world of YAOI but I'll keep in the back of mind for future refrence if the fancy strikes me.

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  29. Well, errrr... this is all new to me. Well taught lesson though. Definitely stretches the imagination.

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  30. That was SUPER insightful!! Who knew you could learn so much from anime?

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  31. Okay, this has to be one of the best yaoi posts evah! *grin*

    I've tried manga but seriously I get lost in the images and can't focus on the story *bad Anna* BUT I am determined to give yaoi a try again and dammit I shall persevere.

    *hugs*
    Anna

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  32. VampFanGirl: Aww, shucks, but then again I'm all about being edjumactional. *g*

    What I have learnt about yaoi has pretty much been in the last couple of years - I'd only vaguely come across it before that - so I'm only a relative newbie at it myself. :) Do give it a try if you get a chance. Some libraries also have yaoi available for loan if you don't want to buy it outright.


    Robin: Just think unrealistic cartoon porn. Kind of like if Fred and Barnie got it on. Don't laugh. I have seen the fanart. *shudders*


    Nicole: Glad I was able to give you an insight into this genre. It can definitely be a bit left of field. LOL.


    Anna, hey and thanks! :) Are you saying you were too focused on the pictures of pretty boys fucking each other to actually follow the story?? How pervey! ;P

    In all honesty, though, the yaoi swap has shown that a number of us have preferences for certain artwork over others so it could easily be that the artwork wasn't for you in terms of gelling with the story line and dialogue bubbles and boxes. Definitely give it another go and if you try one of the ones I recommended drop me a line - I will be interested to see what you think. :)

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  33. I'm a newbie to yaoi and so far I haven't seen much of the f*cking going on. :( I'm thinking I'm getting the softer ones all the time, which are sweet, sure, but not making my heart beat faster...

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  34. Holy sweetness, batman! You listed three of my fav picks...

    I think I am in wuv <3 ... or perhaps was tutored by you in the wonderful ways of Yaoi ;)

    Latta! Gotta read me some Black Wade, now!

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  35. I checked out some of your yaoi suggestions and loved them! Thanks!

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  36. Where do you get most of your yaoi from? I have trouble finding many of the titles I'm looking for.

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  37. Janna: That's because we've been trying to sucker you in. You will be getting the more explicit ones. Actually there is pretty much no escaping them. LOL.


    Miranda: *gasps* You haven't read Black Wade yet?! Or are you rereading it?? I'm hoping it's the latter because if it's the former... WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN WAITING FOR?!


    Jeanette: Holy Crap that was quick. :) Glad you liked them and thanks heaps for letting me know.


    Joder: I buy most of mine from The Book Depository. They have a pretty good selection and the free posting when you live all the way down here in Oz is a huge bonus. I've also bought from Anime Castle after I found out that they are one of the suppliers for Amazon. *whispers* Their postage was much cheaper and came heaps quicker. Hope that helps you.

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  38. Thx for the lesson Miss Kris. I never liked comics when I was a kid and I'm not sure that it's my cuppa now. Besides, I'm a bit worried if my 7 year old finds them stuffed down the back of the couch. We haven't got to the birds and the bees talk yet, let alone the birds and the birds and the bees and the bees.

    I do like man love books though... I keep my ereader well away from my boy!

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  39. Kaetrin: "Besides, I'm a bit worried if my 7 year old finds them stuffed down the back of the couch. We haven't got to the birds and the bees talk yet, let alone the birds and the birds and the bees and the bees."

    LOL. Why do you think so many books find their way into the swap? ;P

    On a serious note, you should put your name down against Black Wade in the swap. That will give you and idea about whether you think you would like to explore the graphic form further. :)

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  40. Thanks for the great post. I'll have to share it with my daughter(19). She's been reading manga for years and she just recently discover my m/m ebooks on the computer. She'll love reading this post.

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  41. Welcome, Beth. :) I hope your daughter enjoys her experience if she does decide to give the yaoi genre a try. Also, if she has any questions she is more than welcome to drop me a line. You may have noticed that I enjoy chatting about yaoi. Just a little. ;)

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  42. Thanks Kris for the info! I feel like you've become my dealer now. I'll check out Anime Castle since I've never heard of them. And Book Depository is where I've bought from so far and their selection's not bad.

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  43. "That's because we've been trying to sucker you in. You will be getting the more explicit ones. Actually there is pretty much no escaping them. LOL."

    Oh really?! I can't wait for the great(er) stuff then! :D

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  44. Joder: Welcome, hun! :)


    Janna: You're an unrepentant perve. LOL.

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  45. Chris, what a post and I so enjoyed it. I have so much smut research to do and feel like a "grasshopper" to your zen master of smut. *giggle*

    Thank you for contributing to my evah expanding smutty brain and journey of enlightenment. I bow to you. *smiles*

    armiefox at yahoo dot com

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  46. Chris, what a post and I so enjoyed it. I have so much smut research to do and feel like a "grasshopper" to your zen master of smut. *giggle*

    Thank you for contributing to my evah expanding smutty brain and journey of enlightenment. I bow to you. *smiles*

    armiefox at yahoo dot com

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  47. Armenia: As a yaoi fan girl it is both my duty and pleasure to convert the world to the awesomeness of this genre.

    Remember, grasshopper. The smut is with you. Always.

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  48. Great post! I have never heard of this before (not surprisingly though since I don't really read manga) but it sounds pretty interesting.

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  49. throuthehaze: If you read m/m romance and erotica I would definitely suggest that you give this one a try. If for nothing else than to cross it off your list. Of course, you'd better like it. Or else.

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  50. The Pic of the Cat with the wig on scared me makes me wounder what my cat is up some times as it is im sher that she is going under the bathroon cubert and sniffing things.What else does she do good thing I don't have a wig that was plan ugly on that cat.Sorry to the cat it just does not go with you.
    sasluvbooks(at)yahoo.com

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  51. Stacey: I use that pic of the cat in the wig as my avatar because it looks exactly like one of the Russian Blue boy cats that I have. Not that I would put him in a wig... *whistles innocently*

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  52. This was such a great smuttycational lesson!:P

    I must be totally naive because I had no idea this even existed! *hangs head*.

    I'm still trying to break the whole M/M cherry, so I'll just have to take mental notes for now that this exists. I mean, it does sound kind of yummy!

    Thanks, Kris!

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  53. Tanya: Welcome! And smuttycational?! I'm so stealing that. LOL.

    And can I just say...

    M/M VIRGIN ALERT!

    Please let me help you break your cherry. *shirt fronts* I'm begging here...

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  54. I am totally new to the Yaoi scene, so thanks for giving us your favorites to check out.



    caity_mack at yahoo dot com

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  55. Cathy M: It was my pleasure. Trust me on this. ;)

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  56. Oh I want in on the giveaway.. Kris gave a great into to Yaoi. May it thrive in all it's contrived fabulousness.

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  57. Kassa: "May it thrive in all it's contrived fabulousness."

    Amen.

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  58. This was a fascinating read. I definitely have some smut I can research if I win. ;)

    misusedinnocence@aol.com

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  59. Misusedinnocence: I think it's a rule that you have to try yaoi if you do win. LOL.

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  60. I've never read any anime or graphic novels before. These look interesting. I'd love win a chance to research some smut! lol!

    meredithfl at gmail dot com

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  61. Meredith: I'll be checking to make sure that you buy yaoi if you do win. ;)

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